Tuesday, July 24, 2012

My 5 Favorite Bangkok Soapy Massage Parlors

I've been visiting soapy massage parlors in Bangkok for about 12 years now. What most don't know is that the business of body to body massages were not originally designed for the sole pleasure of foreigners like you would see in at go go bars.

Soapies were first created for the pleasures of local well off Thais, businessmen, the elite and government officials. It was only discovered by foreigners who were originally attracted to the go go bars of Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana. You would never see local Thais with money cavorting with bar girls in Sukhumvit.

Soapy brothels are not only places for Thai guys to screw prostitutes while their wives are out shopping. Many establishments are also casual restaurants so they can dine with friends, usually in the company of massage girls they've chosen or reserved. It's where business deals are sealed and clients are taken care of afterwards.

Now a lot of the the body massage places I like going to are a little bit out of the way and usually requires a ride on the MRT subway train, by taxi or a combination of both. I actually prefer going to places further away so I won't have a lot of competition when I arrive to pick out a massage girl.

But no matter how I look at it, to me, having a soapy massage experience is kind of like pizza. No matter how bad it is it's still edible. That said, here are my 5 favorite soapy parlors in Bangkok.

Nataree
1. Nataree Massage - I like this place because it's unpretentious. It's still a dive when it comes to atmosphere but it's very convenient. Most importantly there are a lot of cute sideline girls.

Today I usually stay away from the fishbowl girls because a lot of them are a bit rough around the edges and older. And if I wanted a lady with those attributes I would've stayed married.

So I always pick a sideliner and on a weekend at night you'll find around 40 to 50 girls to choose from. Sideliners at Nataree price range from 2300THB, 2600THB, 5000THB. I'd stay away from the 5000THB girls because they look under-aged. I could be wrong, but they do not look like they're priced for looks. Girls working in brothels are priced according to age and looks (particularly whiteness of skin).

There are already quite a lot of 18 year old hookers inside Nataree priced at 2300THB and 2600THB. When you get inside you'll immediately be face to face with a lot of sideliner girls.

Getting to Nataree only requires a ride on the MRT subway to Huay Kwang station. When you're there use exit #3. There are plenty of maps inside the station so look for the Emerald Hotel and walk towards it. You should see the establishment after walking past Emmanuel Massage (over-rated). There are two entrances to Nataree so take the first one you see.

Nataree is in the Huay Kwang/Ratchada area where there are many soapies in close walking distance.

Utopia

2. Utopia Massage - The first time I've ever been to a soapy in Bangkok like Utopia I couldn't believe that brothels could be so opulent. There are Roman styled columns and winding staircases and the area is adorned with marble and carpeted floors.

Because even though prostitution is technically illegal in Thailand, when you take a look at Utopia you really just want to laugh.

Now Utopia is not cheap. And that's for a good reason. A lot of the girls there are lighter skinned and maybe a bit taller and are from the Northern regions of Thailand like Chaing Mai or Chiang Rai. You won't find any short dark skinned Issan girls at Utopia though maybe some have slipped in.

And a soapy of Utopia's quality is geared towards Thai/Asian clientele who prefer their women fair skinned. As I mentioned previously most body massage establishments are primarily for Thai customers with free spending cash.

It's kind of funny to me that whenever I visit Utopia or any other soapy establishment  I'm usually dressed in t-shirts, shorts or jeans and wearing a cap with flip-flops. While the locals are decked in casual business wear. Just by looking at the luxury cars parked outside of Utopia you can quite easily see you're sitting among men with money and means. How you dress shouldn't really matter though since there is no dress code at any of the establishments. However, in Asia, the well dressed are treated better so you'll get better attention and service  

Utopia charges foreigners a surcharge for at least 500THB to 1000THB extra depending on the lady you choose. To me, it's not the only way to make extra money but also to discourage sex tourists on a budget. And it works. There are many foreigners complaining about the falang surcharge on forums. Though any foreigner with the extra cash to spend is always welcomed!

But be prepared to bring some cash, fishbowl girls start at around 3000THB for 90 minutes. Sideliners range from 3200THB to 3600THB. There are also model classed girls who were supposed former Thai Penthouse models costing from 5000THB to the moon! Okay, not that high. But I've been quoted 8000THB for a recent model. And you only get 1 hour of playtime with the models. Plus all of the prices I mentioned do not have the dreaded surcharge added on top. As I said, make sure you pad your wallet.

Getting to Utopia is easiest by taxi. Here's the address: 69/1-3 Rama 9 Road, Huay Kwang Bangkok so have someone working at the hotel translate it into Thai. The nearest MRT subway train is Phra Ram 9. But it would require at least a 30 minute walk plus more if you are unfamiliar with the territory. I suggest taking a taxi. Here's their phone number: 0-2354-13008

Amsterdam Massage

3. Amsterdam Massage - Like Nataree, this popular soapy body massage parlor is right next to a MRT subway station called Phra Ram 9. You can't miss Amsterdam it's the only building on a corner with a neon sign shaped like a windmill.

It used to be a much bigger soapy encompassing 2 buildings but today it's only 1 building. That's because they've closed off the fishbowl section and only supply sideliner girls. Not sure if the fishbowl section is closed off forever. Even the papasan I always refer to isn't sure.

Most of the girls there are taller with fair skin.  It's what the local Thais with money like. So what does that mean? It means it's a pricier establishment but the prices are not as crazy as Utopia. And there's no falang surcharge.

Sideliners in Amsterdam Massage cost about 2600THB to 3000THB. They do have model categories too, though not Penthouse types as in Utopia. Amsterdam's models are taller and lighter skinned. Not necessarily prettier. As I mentioned before, Thai men value skin color over looks. And if the skin is light and the girl is attractive is just an added bonus. And a model at Amsterdam was quoted at 4500THB.

To get to Amsterdam Massage take the MRT subway to Phra Ram 9 station. Take exit #1 and walk towards Grand Mercure Fortune Hotel, which is guest friendly so you can invite girls to your room with no joiner fee required. Here's the phone number: 0-2642-0801 — 9

4. Poseidon - Perhaps one of the most well known soapies since way back when these types of establishments became popular with foreign tourists. The closest MRT stop to Poseidon is called Sutthisan station and be sure to get out from Exit #4 because it'll put you closer to the massage parlor.

Poseidon Massage
By taxi just say soi Poseidon and any taxi driver should not have a problem in locating it. A metered ride from Sukhumvit/Asoke intersection to Poseidon should cost about 60THB to 70THB and as of writing drivers do not receive a commission for taking you there. Though this establishment does include the dreaded 'falange' surcharge. Though my foreign Asian buddies are able to skirt the surcharge which is a significant savings considering it cost 1000THB extra if a Johnny foreigner chooses a model.

This massage parlor used to have a lot of soapy girls but today the numbers have dwindled a bit. However, since Poseidon is still heavily visited by locals because they are well known for the ladies in the model category.

And standard soapy girls prices range from 2200THB to 2600THB for 2 hours depending on quality such as age and looks. Though in general you will find fair skinned girls in their soapies. The soapy section is located on the second floor up a winding stair case.

Sideline girls and models are found on the 3rd floor. Sideliners cost around 2800THB to 3000THB for 1.5 hours. The price range for the famous Poseidon model girls ranges from 3000THB to 6000THB (60 minutes). You'll mostly see sideliners on the 2nd floor because model girls are typically booked up and depending on the girls popularity don't be surprised if you have to wait a full week. Is it worth it? I don't think so.

If you have that type of patience there is a photo book with pictures of the models for you to choose and make a reservation.

Catherine Massage - Looks haunted but it's not... at least I think...

5. Catherine's Massage - Of all the soapies on this list Catherine's is the furthest one out but still in Bangkok. It's not in walking distance of any MRT stations either. So the only way to get there is by taxi.

From the outside it looks a little worst for wear and compared to a lot of other places unpretentious. But the rooms inside are in good condition. It's a big place and looks like a restaurant until you see the small fishbowl on the right side when you enter the building.

All of the girls are in the fishbowl so there are no sideliners. However, prices at Catherine's Massage are not expensive. Girls sitting on the right side are 1800THB for 90 minutes. Girls on the left are 2100THB. To me there are not a whole lot of attractive girls on either side. No falang surcharge too.

I always choose girls in the 2100THB price range for better looks. But if I can't find anyone I like I'll pick the best one I see on the right side. After all I'm not going to go all the way out there for nothing.

Catherine's is mainly visited by local Thais because most foreign visitors either don't dare to venture out too far or just find that the closer establishments can already fulfill their needs.

So if you're staying at a hotel in central Bangkok, for example Pratunam or Sukhumvit, you should take a taxi to Catherines and here's the address: 341 Rama 9 Road, Soi 11 and get someone from your hotel to translate it. The address should be easy for the taxi driver to find. Once the driver turns into Soi 11, Catherines is about 200 meters down. You can't miss it, it's directly after the Royal Pacific Hotel on the right side. Here is Catherine Massage phone number: 0-2719-66724

I've listed the phone numbers of all the soapies but there's a really good chance the person picking up on the other end only speaks Thai. You can have someone at the hotel you're staying at call to get better directions so they can write it down for you to give to the taxi driver. As of writing, none of the massage parlors I recommend above do not pay taxi drivers commissions. So you won't be charged extra.

Now you know my 5 favorite soapy massage parlors in Bangkok. And my favorites are not set in stone. Sometimes I shuffle around different establishments whenever there is a big shift in the line up.

Sometimes my favorite working girls are not available anymore and may have been picked up by a wealthy sponsor/sugar daddy to fill a mistress quota. Or some girls have managed to save enough money to start their own businesses.

And there are a lot of soapy massage parlors in Bangkok and I'll drop by one to check it out and it may become my new favorite place to visit. So check back often and I'll report more on soapy parlors I recommend.

Just a reminder, most establishments open around 2pm and close at midnight. I recommend visiting a soapy starting around 7pm. You can get to one at 6pm but most of the ladies are probably still home sleeping or getting ready to go to work.

You can make bookings or reservations for massage girls so if see someone you like and want to set up an appointment just speak to the Papasan or Mamasan.

Finally tipping is not necessary. But if you choose to you may. Usually if I had a great time I would tip 300THB. And I particularly tip girls that I choose regularly or plan to choose regularly so that the next time I'll get special treatment.

One final tip is to get to know a Papasan or Mamasan. Most of them know a fair amount of English. If they see you often and remember you they will offer better info on which girls to choose or tell you who's new to the scene. And I do tip my Papasan and Mamasans 100THB. Not all the time though of course.

130 comments:

  1. Great page! Very usful information.

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  2. Excellent n complete info. Request you to answe my silly questions...
    1. Can we avoid having intercourse during soapy massage?
    2. Price mentioned in this page includes everything to have fun...

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  3. Jamie,

    1. You can absolutely avoid intercourse, it's your choice, time and money.

    2. Yes, prices mentioned includes everything within the time you paid for.

    Good Luck!

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  4. Thank you very much for the quick response James. If I wanna try soapy for the first time, which parlour you would recommend me?

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    1. Hey Jamie,

      Well I recommend visiting Nataree first. If you don't find what you like then check out Emmanuelle and Caesars which are all very close to Nataree.

      If you can't find what you like there then check out Amsterdam Massage. It's only a few train stops from Nataree.

      Since I don't know how much time you have in Bangkok you can easily check out all the places I've mentioned in 1 night.

      Have fun!

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  5. Stupid question but in my experience girls at these massage parlours don't allow you to kiss them or suck their boobs, is it one off experience or s this the case?

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    1. Hello Nasir,

      To be honest I've never tried kissing any that girl works in the sex industry. It's for obvious reasons.

      As for breast play, in my experience girls allow it.

      Cheers!

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  6. Will be in BKK next week and would like to have an experience with two nice sweet young girls. Best place to go for this ? Any special tip ?

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  7. Volpe,

    My apologies, for some reason I missed your comment because I do get a lot of spam. Unfortunately your comment was in the crossfire.

    It's not hard at all to find two, three, four or whatever girls you want to have fun with. Just ask, girls working in the industry are not surprised at all when customers ask for threesomes!

    Have fun!

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  8. When you said soapy massage includes everything, that includes sex too ? And how many times can you have sex with her in 90 mins?

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    1. Peter, the prices are all inclusive. In general girls working at the soapy massage parlors only allow 1 shot.

      From my experience, if the girls likes you and if it is someone you see often you may get 2 shot.

      Cheers!

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  9. Hey there,

    Any thoughts about the Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit, Bangkok. Are they girl friendly ? Any chance i would meet freelancers at one of bars or restaurants ?

    thanks for the informative blog.

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  10. John,

    Yes the Sheraton Grande on Sukhumvit is guest friendly. However I haven't received an official email regarding their policy because they don't want to associate themselves with any part of the city's red light industry.

    And yes, you can find freelancers inside their bars and even lounge areas. Not a lot though, but they're their.

    If I may make a suggestion, consider staying at the Grande Centre Point Suk Hotel by Terminal 21. The Sheraton is located right across so it's in a great location.

    It's a 5 star hotel but cost between $110US to $150US a night.

    No matter where you stay you can still check the freelancers inside Sheraton's bars. But basically along any 5 star international hotels on Sukhumvit you can find freelancers.

    Have Fun!
    Jim

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    1. Hi Jim,

      Thanks for the info. I am in BKK early Jan for 5 days. In your opinion, which are the places i need to go for a good time and receive the best service. I have gone through your blogs and have a fair idea, but confirmations from you would be much appreciated.

      Also, the freelancers at the Sheraton.. how would you rate them in terms of looks and service ?

      Your help is appreciated.

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    2. Hi John,

      Regarding services in go go bars, massage parlors and what not really depends on the girl you choose. Obviously not all girls working in the industry have the same work ethics.

      So it's really hard for me to pin point and give you a guarantee on a certain establishment will have the cutest girls or girls that provide the best service.

      Personally, I'be bar fined girls for long time and experience girls who wanted to leave way too early and some who wanted to leave way too late.

      It's really a hit or miss I have to say. And every guy is going to have a different experience.

      I know you have 5 days and you want the best experience possible and I certainly want to give you a definitive answer so you may have the best time.

      So my blog posts are fairly recent and up to date such as my posts on visiting Baccara bar at Soi Cowboy and Rainbow 4 at NEP. Both are still very popular go go bars.

      I don't spend a lot of time at hotel bars such as the ones in Sheraton. The last time I was there was about 2 years ago. I mostly saw freelancers in the upper 20's to mid 30's age range. And there were a handful in the early 40's as well.

      And I've never taken one out but I'm assuming they would ask for a premium price thinking that one who can afford a room at the Sheraton can afford to pay whatever they ask for.

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  11. Hi
    Plz tell me where i will find good european girls and black girls in bangkok. And plz tell me the best disco where i will find good girls...

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    1. Hey Harry, check out my post http://guestfriendlyhotelsinthailand.blogspot.com/2012/09/nana-hookers-in-bangkok.html

      Not quite sure what you mean by 'good' and to be quite honest I've never been with a European or African women in Thailand.

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  12. Where can one find petite women with silicone upgrades working in BKK, preferrably in soapies?

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    1. JJ,

      Nearly every soapy has a handful of girls with upgrades whether short or tall. Just don't get to a place too late or else you'll have less girls to pick from.

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  13. Hej thanks for a lot of valuabale information. You do not comment on either EZ massage or Annies. The pictures from EZ seams to good to be true but Annies could be genuine. Any comments on theese parlous

    Thanks Leif

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    1. Leif, thank you for the kind words, I haven't been to EZ Massage. Annies Massage is a place I've only been to a few times. Personally, I'm not a big fan. However, I know a lot of people who visit Annie's on a regular basis and love it there.

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  14. Hi,

    I have a transit time of roughly 12 hours in BKK. The only issue is that the time is from 0505 hrs to 1845 hrs. From your different posts, I assume that u r one of the pros of BKK fun life...Ne idea what I can avail during this odd hours in BKK???

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    1. With that amount of time I would hit up the oily massage parlors in the afternoon. And with time permitted I would check out a soapy massage afterwards. I'm hoping you wouldn't have a lot of luggage too.

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  15. James, your post was so useful during my stay in Bangkok. I didn't get a chance to visit all the places but Nataree was awesome.

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    1. Thank you, yes, Nataree is the best!

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  16. Hello James,

    Thanks for taking great effort to create this wonderful blog. I understand that you have great knowledge about BKK specially in the field I am interested in. Now I am not sure if you have such knowledge about Pattaya.
    I am planing to move for a vacation to Thailand on 12th feb and is planning to stay there for 4 to 5 days. However I am not sure how much time to spend at BKK and how much at Pattaya.
    Moreover I was wondering if I could like to have an escort from day one. I like all kind of kinky stuff and would like to try almost everything (If you understand what I mean by everything.)that comes my way. I have visited the escort sites and they are charging a fortune for the service.

    I would like to have have you thoughts and suggestions. I know it is a broad question with lots of details, however I could not find a better place to seek advice.

    Thanks a lot.

    Roy

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    1. Hi Roy, thanks for the kind words. As for the blog design I wish it could look a lot better ;)

      I do like Pattaya to a certain degree and will write up more reports in the future.

      4 to 5 days split between Bangkok and Pattaya is doable though I can understand most would try to squeeze in as much time and fun as possible.

      I am not a big fan of escort services. For one the prices are high. The other is the lady you booked may not be the same lady that shows up at your hotel room.

      If you like kinky stuff check out Devils Den in Pattaya right on Soi LK Metro, here's the link: http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4000274801837017467#editor/target=post;postID=4580402153601391792

      For me, Soi LK Metro is a fantastic spot in Pattaya!

      Those girls do everything there including stuff that I would never dream of.

      Back to the escort problem, I can understand if your time constraint you don't want to spend time running around looking for a short time girlfriend.

      And to be honest, of all the people I've told not to hire an escort they've still had a good time by simply visiting bars or heading to massage parlors.

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  17. Hello James,

    Thanks for your prompt response and advices. After going through almost all of your posts I have started considering you as the "Wikipedia of Thai Sex Tour". ;)

    However with so much choices provides by you about hotels and entertainment it is kind of confusing sometimes to make a decision. So I would ask you for another favor. and this time little more precise.

    I like adventure sports as well so Pattaya looks a obvious choice. can you please tell me where I should stay at Pattaya for this purpose as well as to try my luck in finding hot company and some exiting evening.

    and another thing, I am kind of attracted to Russian girls and never had a time to play with them. So where and how can I find a hot Russian girl, not to mention without spending a fortune on them.

    Thanks again.

    Roy

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    1. Hey Roy, you Sir are too kind! Though I wouldn't consider myself a Wikipedia! I live in Thailand and now that I'm not a young buck anymore I have slowed down my pace a lot.

      Adventure sports and Russian ladies you can find in Pattaya without a problem.

      As I recommended earlier I always like the Soi LK Metro area in Pattaya. And I do know there are a quite a few tour agencies near that area that may provide you with the right adventure sports itinerary. Just right on the corner of Soi LK Metro and Soi Diana are a cluster of store front offices with tour agencies.

      Go go bars with Russian women are along Walking Street. I can't think of the names right now but you cant miss them while walking through.

      I have a friend who went to a Russian go go bar on the southern end of Walking, just opposite from the ferry piers. He says it's pricey, about 5000THB for short time. So not sure if that's still your cup of tea.

      Good luck and have fun!
      Jim

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  18. Dear james,
    Thanks for very useful information for tourists visiting thailand for fun.I am planing to visit Pattaya for 3 Nights,BKK for 2Nights in next month .Plz suggest best parlours for soapy massage at both the places and other night life fun items and recommend centrs as i am visiting Thailand for the first time.

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  19. Rahul,

    All of my favorite soapy parlors are right here on this page. I'm not a big fan of soapy massage in Pattaya.

    Best of Luck,
    Jim

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  20. James! Thanks a lot for the reply. I have noted about Top 5 recommended soapy massage parlours at BKK. Plz guide me as what fun can I do at Pattaya during my stay there to make my trip memorable. Plz suggest best things of Pattaya that I can do for fun and enjoyment. with regards....
    Rahul

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  21. Rahul, check out the bars around LK Metro area. You can get to it by walking just a few minutes down Soi Diana and right across from Areca Lodge Hotel. You can't miss it. It's a great area to hang out in Pattaya. Have fun! Jim

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  22. Hi James,
    may i know what is side-liners? have you tried any good place in silom area (besides pat pong) or nearby? have you tried any upscale outcall gals or massage gals? where can i get one? thanks.

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    1. Biscotto, sideline girls are found in soapy massage parlors. They are usually younger and prettier. They are typically not seated inside the fishbowl section. They have their own section and are usually seated on sofas, couches, etc.

      I haven't tried any escort services. All oil massage parlors have outcall service which cost a little bit extra.

      I suggest going straight to the massage parlor so you can see the girls up front. Believe me, photos websites are misleading.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  23. Hi i would be coming in on 4th feb and staying in Milleinium Hilton, Can i get hookers at the bars there.

    Also the best staying places in pattaya.

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    1. Dinesh,

      Not sure if there are hookers at the Millenium, never been there before. But wouldn't be surprised if there are a few at the hotel bar night time.

      Best hotels in Pattaya (with Millenium Hilton) standards is the Marriott Pattaya, Dusit D2, Hilton Hotel Pattaya.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  24. James,

    What's the procedure if both my girlfriend and I want to get a full service soapy / oily massage? Is it something that is done often?

    Does it automatically double the cost?

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    1. Roe,

      It's not common, but it's welcome by soapies. However, oily massage parlors might be a prob since their rooms are smaller.

      Of all the years I've been to a soapy I've seen foreign couples about 5 times. In oil massage shops 0 times.

      And the answer is yes, you and your girlfriend will have to pay.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  25. hi james.

    great information here..

    I would like to ask, is there massage parlour near airport subvarnibum? and how much the cost of taxi from subharnibum airport to sukhumvit? or to natatee? what you recmendation for me IF transit in bkk for 1 night... and I'm budgeted tourist
    ..

    thanks

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    1. Doni,

      There are lots of massage parlours near the airport, especially around the smaller airport hotels.

      In my opinion, shops near the airport don't have the best looking girls.

      Taxi from airport to Sukhumvit cost around 350THB including tolls and 50THB airport surcharge. Expect to pay more when there's traffic which there often is.

      Did you check out my website for a 1 night visitor guide? You can check it out here:
      http://www.bangkokredeye.com/1-night-in-bangkok--oil-massage-parlors-and-go-go-bars.html

      Hope you have at least more than 5 hours. If not, head straight for a soapy massage in the huay kwang area, that's where nataree is located.

      All the info is on that website link.

      Good luck!
      Jim

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  26. Hi James,
    What area could we go to in order to find the shorter, darker skinned Thai girls? Lots of the soapy's are bragging about white skin, but I like the darker ones personally.

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    1. Hi Gunnar,

      Soapies were originally created for Thai men. And for them the big turn on is women with white skin.

      The same goes for Thai women too, they prefer guys with light skin whether they are dark or light skinned themselves.

      Now I've never been to Annie's Massage by Suk Soi 2 or Darlings Massage on Suk Soi 12. But those two particular establishments are fixed towards foreigners.

      So you should have better luck finding dark skinned honeys over there.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  27. Hi James,
    Do SOI cowboy and Nana are open during Songkran night??what about the girls, i heard most of them head home during that time?
    one more thing i heard that in pattaya some go-go bar discriminate based on ethnicity of ppl? is it the same in bangkok also, if so can u suggest me the Bars to avoid in bangkok as well as Pattaya, I am from india and i am coming to thailand for the 1st time and i dont want to have any bad experience, i hope you will help me :)

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  28. Raj,

    Yes, in general most red light district activities are open.

    And it is true most girls do go home during that time. So, you will find less girls. Good news is you may still find attractive ladies to keep company.

    Raj, as far as I know, go go bars and such a few years ago in Bangkok and Pattaya have bar certain ethnicity from entering their premise.

    Today, since many bars are more cash hungry now the restrictions are toned down. And you will find many Indians in the bars these days.

    However, since I am not Indian myself, I can't pinpoint which specific bars are still hanging on to discrimination.

    Take a look at my blog post: http://guestfriendlyhotelsinthailand.blogspot.com/2012/09/my-5-favorite-go-go-bars-in-bangkok.html

    I know for certain those 5 bars I like have no problems with Indian customers as I do see them inside.

    For Pattaya I know a vast majority of the bars have no issues either.

    So I hope that was helpful, good luck and if you come across a place that won't allow you access then just move on to the next bar and try not to let it ruin your holiday. There are many bars to have fun in.

    Good Luck,
    Jim

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  29. Thanks for your prompt reply james, i have gone through your suggestion about the Massage parlor and i will definitely try to check few of them for sure.. your blog is a great help for those who are visiting thailand for the 1st time :)

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  30. hi, just want to know , is it possible we bring the girl back hotel? what the cost?

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    1. Hello Leslie,

      Well I've never taken a girl from a soapy back to my room while she is working.

      I have taken girls in soapies back to a hotel room when they've finished work, which is around 1am.

      I suppose if you speak to a papasan they can arrange something. If I could guess you'd probably be paying some sort of fee, similar to a 'bar fine' at a go go bar.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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    2. thx jim bro.
      can u recomand any place ,can find over nite girl? even massage girl which provide fj also?

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    3. Leslie,

      At almost any soapy, oily massage shop and so on a girl will come to your room over night, provided the amount of money on offer is right.

      Shouldn't be a problem to find a bar girl to stay with you overnight but it'll cost you 4000THB and up depending on how beautiful the girl is.

      Plus you'd have to pay the bar fine and depending on the bar is either 500THB or 600THB.

      You can head over to Thermae Bar, just do a search on my blog and you'll find the info. There are plenty of freelancers there.

      One big tip is whenever you negotiate with a girl on overnight stays, be sure to make it clear that they are to leave in the morning. Obviously you have to be reasonable and not ask them to stay until 10am. To me I usually tell them they can leave until 6am to 8am. Which is reasonable and not anytime sooner.

      Many girls will try to leaver earlier if given the chance.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  31. Dear Jim,
    I really appreciate your help. Last time I was at BKK the Taxi drivers fool people and led them to dark places. I want to apprise you all from them and the Tuktuk drivers as well.

    I want to ask you Jim what is the definition of Soapy Massage? Is that mean Sex and massage as well?
    Does she start with massage? Or it just a blow job? What about oral?
    However it ends when there is a shot? Even if all the process last 10 minutes?
    When the Tuktuk drivers say Body massage, do they mean soapy massage?

    Is there any chance in your opinion that the girls pass sexually transmitted diseases test?

    Thanks in advance,

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  32. Hello,

    Thank you for the kind comment. I'm glad I can help out.

    Hmmm... I don't want to scare everyone but the taxi experiences you've described are quite rare. In general, from my experiences and many other travelers, taxi drivers are quite harmless. Sure, you will find drivers who don't want to use the meter, but that's as inconvenient as they can get.

    As for tuk tuk drivers, I rarely use them. Why sit in a death trap with 3 wheels no air con and pay 2 to 3 times the price of a comfortable taxi??

    Yes in soapy massage you get a massage in bathtub with body to body massage using soap.

    All girls have different procedures, some start with BJ (which is the same as oral). If you're referring to giving oral sex to a girl I wouldn't do it.

    Some start with massage first. You can always tell the girl what you want in which order because you are the customer.

    Yup, if you shoot in a minute with 59 minutes to go most girls will consider they have completed their job. However, some girls may take pity and give you a second go. If not, then you would have to negotiate a price with them for a second round. I would tip them if they give you a free second round for having such mercy.

    Didn't you just say tuk tuk drivers are evil and warning people against using one??? Anyways if a tuk tuk driver says they'll take you to a body massage yes they are referring to a soapy massage.

    Most girls are tested but I wouldn't go on record to say that there is never a chance of picking up a STD.

    Here's a good tip for you, it's best to stay at any hotel near Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. This way you won't have to rely on taxis or tuk tuks to get to go go bars.

    Also there's a MRT subway station called Sukhumvit (right by Soi Cowboy) which you can ride to soapy massage parlors near Huay Kwang station. It's a 10 minute ride and will put you outside near many popular soapy establishments.

    Keep in mind MRT stations close around 11:30 to 11:45pm. So you will need a taxi to get back to your hotel from Huay Kwang. But as I said, you shouldn't really worry about getting hijacked by a taxi driver, your risk is quite low.

    Cheers!
    Jim

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  33. Hi Jim,

    I'm from India and will be travelling to BKK shortly. Will establishments like Posiedon or Uthopia charge for falang for Indians too, as we are south asians?
    I know they can charge for a citizen of UK or US or Europe or Japan. But the query was if they charge Falang for any non-thai or non-asian?

    Cheers,
    Raj

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    1. Hello,

      Not sure about Poseidon I know I haven't been charged and I've seen many foreigners like my friends not charged either.

      Utopia, yes you will get charged. I have a Sikh friend who went there alone and they sort of kept him out in an area where the main clientele were sitting in. He wasn't happy about that but maybe it's a one off moment.

      Sorry I can't offer up more info in regards to this subject as a lot of times I am a familiar face and can converse in Thai. These are just a few reasons why I can avoid the surcharge.

      Falang surcharge is a popular subject. Now I thought about going around the soapies and asking for a definite answer on falang surcharge or no surcharge and then writing a post.

      So lets say I get one answer from a soapy massage shop saying no there is no falang surcharge. But that answer can change quickly for whatever reason overnight. Or perhaps different papasans or mamasans have different policy. They can easily make a quick baht by charging more to any unsuspecting customer. This is Thailand after all.

      I only know that Nataree is the only place where prices are uniform. As far as I know...

      Regards,
      Jim

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  34. Went to Nataree massage tonight and did not get a soapy massage. What I got was a regular amateurish massage on the bed followed by bath with the girl then right to business. By the time I realized it was not to be, 20 min had gone by, and, what can you do then? Her name was Angoon, 20 yo SL, very bossy. Straight business, no kissing. WTF? Now you don't even get a soapy massage at the soapy massage parlours. I'm so disgusted I want to leave TL tomorrow and never come back. Looks 8/10 Service 2/10 Attitude 3/10. 2600thb ripoff. Note: I'm not a dark skinned fat old guy.

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    1. Trav,

      Thanks for the warning, with so many girls working in Nataree there are bound to be more than a handful of bad apples.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  35. hi james...i m going to phuket can u plz suggest me sum good place for sopy massage....
    ..n wat will i charge for if i want a full ight service....

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    1. Vishal,

      Try Christine Massage by Rat Uthit Road and Bangla Road intersection. It's like the biggest soapy in Phuket, it's a big pink building and hard to miss.

      Now I've only been there a few times and it's quite pricey. Last time I went you'd have to spend a minimum of 2600THB for a soapy girl. Since I'm not a frequent customer their, I don't know if that's the that's the normal going rate.

      Then again, almost everything in Phuket's red light district is priced higher.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  36. Hi buddy,

    Might sound a bit perverted, but in Bangkok,
    where would be the best place to find mature (40 - 50 yo)ladies. Would they all hang around one area, and how much would they charge?

    Even better, where would I encounter milfs that would be open for a casual fling?

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    1. Hello,

      Yes you do sound like a pervert. Hmmm... though I do not actively seek what you are looking for I do know they are there.

      I recommend heading over to the beer garden 100 meters down Sukhumvit soi 7 on the left side.

      Some go go bars do have older ladies to, maybe early 40s, they are always in the back stage, I've even seen 1 or 2 working at Rainbow 4 at Nana Plaza.

      Milfs, I'm sorry I can't help you there either my friend. Geez, and I thought I was a big pervert.

      Funny thing most ladies working in the Thailand's red light districts had babies. Does that count?

      Good luck
      Jim

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  37. Hi Jim
    First thanks for the review – looks very good 
    I plan to be in Bangkok this month and will book in suchumvit street,
    I would like to get your recommendation for soapy body massage spa, clean place with nice and young (20-30y) girls (and not lady boys).
    Do you know the prices in those days?

    Thanks…

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    1. Ronen,

      If you're looking for clean places, then I recommend Amsterdam, Poseidon and Catherine. It's not sparkling clean mind you, but it's as clean as can be.

      And you shouldn't have any problems finding 20 to 30 year old ladies. Currently and as far as I know, soapies do not employ ladyboys.

      These days you can expect to spend about 1800THB to 6000THB, it all depends on the age and looks of the massage lady.

      On average 2300THB is what I spend for a decent looking girl.

      Have fun!
      Jim

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    2. thanks for your answer !
      which one of them is the nearest to suchumvit street?

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    3. Hi Ronen,

      None of them are located on Sukhumvit road. I recommend using the MRT subway train. The directions to these soapies are all explained above.

      If you haven't booked your hotel yet, and would like to stay in walking distance to most soapies please visit this post:

      http://guestfriendlyhotelsinthailand.blogspot.com/p/hotels-near-bangkoks-soapy-massage.html

      There are 2 soapy massage parlors on Sukhumvit:

      Annies on Sukhumvit soi 2
      Darlings on Sukhumvit soi 12

      I'm not a big fan of both places, however you might enjoy it.

      Take care,
      Jim

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    4. thanks,
      how can I find it there? will I see sign with the name Annies or Darlings?
      and please - why you do not like them? the girls or the place?

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    5. Hey Ronen,

      Yes you will see a sign with their names. These establishments are not hidden at all.

      Well, I wouldn't exactly say that I don't like Annies or Darlings. Maybe the girls there are just fine.

      I just prefer going to soapies in the Huay Kwang area is all.

      You can check out the difference for yourself. Huay Kwang can be reached by MRT subway train. Not far at all from Sukhumvit.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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    6. Thanks again,
      I can't find details about "Huay Kwang" can you please add some, how to get there, etc...?
      in addition - do you famaliar with another spa near the kawasan street?

      thanks!

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    7. Ronen,

      Check out my website:
      http://www.bangkokredeye.com/bangkok-soapy-massage.html for info about Huay Kwang.

      Never heard of Kawasan Street? Are you referring to Khaosan Road? If so there are no soapies in Khaosan.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  38. hi. i will be travelling to bangkok and pattaya on 22nd may. where will u suggest me to have d best soapy massage both areas. where a healthy friendly atmosphere is dere??

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    1. Hello Mayank,

      My best soapy massage places in Bangkok are all listed right on this post, hence the title "My 5 Favorite Bangkok Soapy Massage Parlors".

      I'm not a big fan of soapies in Pattaya. Could change though. But I had a decent time at Sabai Dee Massage on Second Road by soi 2.

      Not clear what you mean by healthy but friendliness at any place is always a hit or miss.

      Have a great time!
      Jim

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  39. Hi,

    I've been to emmanuelle about a year back. While the place looks great from the outside, the rooms are rather rundown. While I am Chinese Asian and it's fine for me, I plan to bring a important business guest (farang)this up-coming trip.

    Which of the parlors in your opinion have still have rooms in decent condition that are not too rundown.

    Would you also know which parlors offer nuru or soapy b2b massage on an inflatable mattress (soapy in bathtubs don't count.)

    thanks and cheers! Nick.

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    1. Hello Nick,

      Yeah, majority of the soapies do look great on the outside. Though many have rooms in horrible conditions. But that's because they are all old buildings.

      Hmmm, well I can say for sure don't take them to Nataree because the rooms over there have a lot of mold near the AC units when I'm there. Though I still think Nataree has a great line up of cute side line girls.

      So, if I'm taking a customer to an MP I would try Poseidon, Caesars and Amsterdam. From my experience there rooms are in good condition. Though it could still be a hit or miss.

      Good news is you can always ask to change rooms if the first is bad condition. There are so many rooms so shouldn't be an issue at all.

      For nuru massage, head over to Colonze 2. I wrote a review just a few post back. It's in the same general vicinity as Poseidon, Caesars and Amsterdam.

      Not a lot of places do inflatable mattresses. However, 2 places that come to mind are Nataree and Caesars. As for Nataree as I mentioned you may need to search around for a room in better condition once inside.

      Ask for Mr. Gee, he speaks a decent amount of English, all the papasans there do. I know one can also speak a little Cantonese and Mandarin too but forget his name.

      Have a great time Nick!

      Regards,
      Jim

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  40. Thanks to you, I believe I should have a blast while in bangkok, Jim.

    Appreciate your going into the details especially about the inflatables as this info is not readily available even to many seasoned massage parlor goers in bkk who are already contented with the tub rub-down.

    Cheers, live full and play-safe! Nick

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    1. Hi Nick,

      I remember about 10 years ago, inflatable mattresses in the tubs were normal for soapies. But today it's off the menu and only a few soapie parlors offer that service now.

      Thanks for reading and commenting!

      Regards,
      Jim

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  41. Hi,
    I would like to know any soapy massage for women or not? And where are they? Is there any different for men?thanks a lot

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    1. Hi Linh,

      If you're referring to soapies where you can choose a man to be with you there are none.

      You can certainly choose a lady at a soapy if you're into that.

      Sorry to say but Bangkok's red light districts are really made for men.

      However, there are clubs in Bangkok where Thai women (usually bored housewives with money)go to find gigolos.

      I know of one near Amsterdam Soapy Massage, but it's hard for me to pinpoint it for you if you are not familiar with the city.

      I am truly sorry I cannot be of much help.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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    1. Vish,

      Why 15 when you can see 5 good ones here??

      Regards,
      Jim

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  44. What are you looking for oil massage or soapy massage?

    For oil check this out:
    http://www.bangkokredeye.com/bangkok-oily-massage.html

    For soapy check this out:
    http://www.bangkokredeye.com/bangkok-soapy-massage.html

    All massage parlors typically have mature ladies. Just ask them.

    Cheers!
    Jim

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  45. Hey James , You got an awesome blog here!. Btw, I've been reading your "Bangkok Red Eye" Travel guide.Soapy Massage Parlor was never my plaything.However your blog Inspired me to give it a try.

    I recently visit "Nataree" and I just can't stop my self from keep coming back to this place, in fact I came to this place everyday for an entire whole week. You see James, I've tried Escort services, Freelances from Thermae, gogo dancers both bangkok&Pattaya most famous bars such as rainbows,Baccara,shark,Happy,Airport and so on, But I never ever had such as amazing experience like the one at soapy massage parlor such as Nataree. Besides, They got a lot of young and Hot sidelines girls from Chiang Mai and Chiang. Not even escorts or high end gogo bar girls I've been with as hot as those girls, even though escorts do provides intense experiences, but I think I would settle down for MPs everytime I come to bangkok. BTW james,Is there any similar establishments with hot sidelines like Nataree?

    I also notice that many asians came to this place and girls in Nataree got excited when they see Japanese dudes coming in. Well I'm not a Japanese ,but an Asian Chinese in his mid-twenties who live in SEA. My 2nd question is whats the norm to tips in MPs ? (both high class or lower class. I normally tip the girl at Nataree if the service is normal 1000 baht and if the service is good 2000 baht. is that normal or too much? Still, only 1 girl got really excited I gave her 1000 Baht tips, while others just treat it like normal even when I gave them 2000 baht tips. It was really hard to tell whether they happy or not from their facial expressions and I believe girls at high class places such as Poseidon or Caesar expecting more than that. is that right?

    My third question. Is it really okay to pick a different lady each time you visit the same place such as Nataree Mp or any other Mps. I been visiting Nataree for straight 7 days in row and always choose a different lady.

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    1. Hello Van Godfrey,

      Nataree is unique in that they have the most side line girls to choose from. I once counted 50 girls early evening!

      There is another massage run by Nataree called Alaina Massage. You can take a look there too but they don't have as much of lineup as Nataree.

      Yeah, Thai girls in general love Japanese and Koreans. It has something to do with their soap operas and light skin etc.

      I never tell another man how they should spend their money but 2000THB tip is too much. Some girls, especially the popular ones make so much money that 2000THB won't phase them.

      So girls you tip with 1000THB are probably not used to getting tips that high.

      My suggestion is don't worry about what the girls expect, unless you plan on seeing them again.

      Even in Poeseidon and Caesars I tip 300THB to the girls I see often.

      Remember, every time you choose them, they are already getting a big percentage. So you're already doing them a favor by choosing them.

      Sure, you can pick a different lady each and every time you visit a MP. It's a brothel. Girls working there expect that.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  46. Ty so much for the feedback Jim!. I still have some other questions I need to ask if that's okay with you. Your Bangkok red eye blog and this one is definitely one of the best Bangkok nightlife blog!

    I used to read "stickmanbangkok", but most of the contents are about gogo bars,bar girls, and little info about escorts. Most gogo bar girls are from Isa'an, some are with serious attitude problems and lazy in bed. No offense but I prefer girls with fair skins especially the one from chiang rai and chiang mai.I got tired of those gogo bar girls, even though this is my 3rd time visiting bangkok. I thought Bangkok doesn't have many pretty girls working in nightlife industry, In fact I almost give up and stop to come back to bangkok. However "Nataree" changed my perceptions. I see bangkok in a different light now thanks to your Blog!


    So my questions are:

    1. Last week, I heard from a lady in Nataree that you can take any lady from Nataree and bring her to Alaina (because Alaina got a better room), but the room cost is 300 Baht in Alaina. Also,You can even pick more than 1 lady if you wish. Is that true jim?

    2.About the high end soapy massage such as La belle, emanuelle, Poseidon, and Ceasar. Do I need to pay extra fee for the room here? I know that room is free in Nataree, But how about those places? I saw it in someone's blog that the cheapest room/suite in Ceasar is 1500 Baht for 2 hours. So that means if I pay 4000 baht to a lady, then i need to pay 1500 more for the room, that means the total cost is 5500 baht. is that correct?

    3. Last but not least, I still don't get it about their preferences because mostly the Japanese who came there are not so attractive, some are old men. I think maybe they give those girls big tips. I could be Bias tho, still most of the times i was mistaken as a Japanese until I speak english lol.


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    1. Hello,

      Thank you very much for the kind comment, I always aim to please ;)

      1) Well Alaina does have better rooms but last time I was there, price for rooms are included. She might be referring to rooms with jacuzzi's which are not the same as regular rooms with bathtubs. Jacuzzi rooms cost extra but since I've never used one I don't know the actual cost.

      Natarees rooms are horrible, I do wish they would spend some money to fix them up.

      2. No, again, if you want a special room like Jacuzzi's than you will have to spend extra money. The use of regular rooms are inclusive.

      3. I wouldn't worry so much about customers being Japanese or not. Just relax and enjoy yourself.

      I have many Singapore, Malaysian, Hong Kong, Japanese, Korean friends who visit Nataree because the love the lighter skin girls too. And they all agree that Thai women like Japanese and Korean men more because they love watching their soap opera tv shows and boy bands.

      If it really makes you think that you will have a better massage experience, just pretend you actually are Japanese. It's not like they can speak Japanese anyways. And let me know if you do have a better experience ;)

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  47. Great site! Lots of good info, and since you have so much I was hoping I could tap into it. I was actually in Bangkok for just one night for the first time about a year ago and had a soapy massage, but I didn't get the name of the place. I'm hoping to track it down for my upcoming trip there, and I wanted to see if you might help me narrow it down. I caught a cab from my hotel and I believe he took me to the Nana area. If I'm recalling correctly, there was a longish driveway so that the building seemed off the main street a little, and to the left of the entrance there was like a covered parking garage. I think the building was a light pastel, maybe pink, but it was late at night so I could be wrong. Upon entering I walked into a dark bar area with a large fishbowl and some sideline girls. I chose a girl from the fishbowl and initially the guy who greeted me told me it would be 3500. That seemed high to me compared to what I'd read (maybe it was higher because I only speak English even though I'm Asian, and possibly the taxi driver was getting a finder's fee?) and he didn't seem like he wanted to budge, so initially I walked. After talking to the cab driver and telling him why I was leaving though, I actually came back with him and he talked to someone else, and it ended up being 3000 bhat. Probably still high, but I had my eye on a particular girl and stuck with her. She lead me up an elevator to my room, where she laid out an inflatable mattress for the soapy massage, and was also equipped with a nice tub and a mirror on the ceiling above the bed, which I enjoyed. The girl was really friendly and the experience turned out to be great. I'd like to find the same place and the same girl. Any ideas on which ones it might be so I don't just go around checking every soapy massage in town? Thanks.

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    1. Jesshak,

      A lot of MP in Bangkok have a light pastel color and driveway. I need a bit more details, though I doubt taxi driver took you to Nana.

      From the price you paid it seems you have paid too much. If the driver was hanging around the MP there's a good chance he was getting a commission.

      You might've avoided the foreigner surcharge since you are Asian, however, if the taxi driver is pushing the MP for a commission they would rather side with a fellow Thai.

      So if you can provide more details maybe I can figure out where you went.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  48. Thanks for the reply. I can't really think of anymore details that would narrow it down. My hotel was the Royal Orchid Sheraton at Charoen Krung 47/2, Suriya Wong, Bang Rak and it was about 15 to 20 minutes away from there. Maybe I should try finding the same cab driver? Although then I'd end up having to pay commission again (he was one of a few cab drivers that approached me coming out of the hotel asking if I was interested in checking out the massage parlors). I do remember we actually went to 3 of them that were very close to each other, but the one I ended up choosing was the biggest with the most girls (not sure how many, but they were numbered and I went with #51). You mentioned that you doubt he took me to Nana; do they not have a lot of soapies there? Are there some areas with multiple soapies in the same vicinity that I might check out if I decide to try and explore for myself?
    Thanks again.

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    1. Hi,

      Yeah, if you were approached by a taxi driver outside of your hotel then I'm 100% sure the driver collected a commission on you.

      There is no need to stay at a hotel so far away. If you like Sheratons, there is one right in the Sukhumvit district, between Nana Plaza go go bars and Soi Cowboy go go bars. This way you won't need to rely on taxis.

      The reason why I say he didn't take you to Nana is because there are only 2 soapies in that area. And both do not pay commissions to drivers.

      So most likely he took you to the Huay Kwang area which has a lot of soapies close to each other.

      If you like soapy massages a lot then you might consider staying in the Huay Kwang area too. It's not far from Sukhumvit's go go bars by underground train system.

      Check out my soapy massage guide for more info:
      http://www.bangkokredeye.com/bangkok-soapy-massage.html

      There you will find names of soapy massage parlors as well as hotels nearby.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  49. Hi Jim, I'm planning to visit "Victoria, La belle and La defense" massage parlor on my next visit to Bangkok. Have you ever been to those places? If u been there, I would like to listen some of ur opinions and advice for those places. I heard from some other sites that those places packed with pretty girls and great selections especially "la belle" , I also heard that La belle and la defense are high end massage parlors and cater mainly for Japanese visitors.

    Last but not least, I'm planning to visit Amsterdam.I never been there, but from what I heard the mama/papa san over there are hassles and like to suck as much cash as possible from you. I read about your trick on how to get a fairer price, but I don't want to look cheap. So, will I get cheated by them if I don't do your tricks? is it safe to go there?. Is it possible to get a fairer price of the first girl that pick? To be honest, I don't mind paying a great amount if the girl is really worth it, but I dislike getting cheated. I want to get a fair price without giving people impression that I'm being cheap.

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    1. Hello,

      I've been to Labelled and La Defense and like both places. They do have a lot of pretty girls. Rule of thumb is the farther away the soapy is the better looking the girls.

      Because a lot of rich Thai guys visit those places for relaxing and enjoyment. Just take a look at the parking lot and you'll mainly see expensive cars.

      Amsterdam is very nice too and a recommended massage to visit. Not sure what tip you're referring to regarding soapies.

      I've never been over charged at Amsterdam and in my opinion feel their rates are reasonable. And not pushy either.

      To be honest I'm not sure what will happen to you. I can't tell the future. All I can say is relax. If you feel like you are being cheated just go somewhere else you feel comfortable spending your money at.

      When I first started visiting Bangkok it was a learning experience. And back then there wasn't too much info about Thailand's nightlife like there is today.

      However I soon learned that not everyone is going to have the same experience, whether good or bad. On this blog, I can only express my personal experience and cannot guarantee you will have the same experience.

      I learned a long time ago not to stress too much about such matters too much. Because you will be back in Bangkok and you'll figure out on our own which places you like to visit.

      Cheers!
      Jim

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  50. Awesome feedback as always Jim!

    you right about the experiences might be different for each individuals. However,as a newbie in this department I'd like to think that I did rather well thanks to Ur advice and this blog.

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  51. Hi Jim,

    look like you have good information about soapy massage in bkk. i just wondering whether there are massage close to Mo Chit, BTS station.

    Best

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    1. LB,

      Thanks for the comment. Sorry to say there are no soapy massage near Mo Chit BTS station.

      However, why don't you take the MRT subway train to Huay Kwang for soapies? There's also an MRT at Mo Chit.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  52. Hi jim
    Not too sure if you got my previous post as hotel Wi Fi not always good. However my wife and I went last night(Monday) to Nataree. We asked for one girl just for body slides and no sex, but were told we must take two. We chose Brean no 53 and Som no 14 which turned out to be an excellent choice. Som had good English and was very friendly. She even enjoyed long lingering kisses. Brean was very bi and had a great time with my wife. Brean was also the best body slider. Both girls were in their early 20,s. My wife is 52 and I am 70, but we are both very fit and trim. I had great sex with my wife with 4 extra hands working overtime ensuring a great climax. We tipped the girls 250 each and they were happy with that.
    You are right that the place needs a makeover, but as your excellent blog had warned us, so we were prepared. The girls asked us if we liked the room as they could get a better one. There was some mould on the ceiling, but it did not deter us from having fun. Tip the papasan was good and he went to a lot of trouble to find us a good taxi on the street. We had a wonderful time and will defiantly return on our next trip to Bangkok. WE are now at a swingers resort in Pattaya www.rama-kien.com having a ball.
    Thanks for your help
    Cheers
    Brian

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    1. Brian,

      Glad you had a great time. Nataree certainly looks rundown. However, their service is very good like you've experienced.

      Rama Kien hotel was on the news once. It was once raided by the Thai police because someone organized an orgy.

      I guess everything is back to normal now =)

      Cheers,
      Jim

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    2. Yes it was raided. Technically they are not breaking the law as they do not offer prostitution. They now pay bribe money each week.Anyway the place is not worth staying. We took three other couples with us from Australia which was just as well as there was not much more on offer. The place is run by a control freak and most of his guests are lookers not players. Also it is very run down and not clean. Cockroaches and mice at night. All in our party got sick. We did not enjoy at all and will not be back. our best sex this trip has been at Nataree. Thanks Jim for a good site.
      cheers
      Brian

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  53. Hi Jim,
    thanks for the informative blog. I will be travelling to BKK next week and will be living in Maruay Garden Hotel at Chatuchak. Please can you let me know if I can get such massage services at the hotel or around?
    Thanks in advance,

    Chhabi

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    1. Guadel,

      You can try and contact the massage and see if they'll send a massage girl. However, it's best to get to the massage parlors themselves.

      From Chatuchak you should use the BTS Sky Train to get to Phrom Phong station for oil massage parlors.


      For soapies, take the MRT subway train to Huay Kwang station. Both are easy to get to.

      Good luck!
      Jim

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    2. Hi Jim,

      Thank you once again. I tried the massage at the hotel itself and got the service. Oh,it was good! I took her in my hotel room. She was average girl but very experienced. She was very hot. I had a great time and enjoyed very much!

      Thank you once again for being love GURU!

      Cheers,
      Gaudel

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  54. Hi,

    I am planing to visit Bankok in transit journey..
    I will be having 5 hours.
    Can i viit Eden club & Nanatree?
    How far are they from each other & from airport?

    This is my first visit.. a help is greatly appreciated.. :)

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    1. Rahul,

      5 hours is too short to visit both. I would visit Nataree.

      You need to take the airport train to Makkasan station, then walk to the Petchburi MRT station and take it to Huay Kwang station to get to Nataree. It's really easy and not difficult at all.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  55. Great resource on soapy massage in Bangkok. I read your post on Poseidon and only recently read this one else would have visited Nataree Massage. Oh well based on your recommendation Nataree will be top of my list next time I am in Bangkok.

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    1. Paul,

      Thanks for the kind comment Paul.

      Take Care!
      Jim

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  56. Hey man, do you use a condom or do you just shoot inside her? I'm just afraid if STDs

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    1. Alan,

      I always recommend using a condom. Besides,
      any hooker that allows you to shoot inside is either plan nuts or has AIDs already with nothing to lose.

      Please put on a rubber my friend.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  57. I am going to be in Bangkok next December and will be staying at the Anantara Riverside Spa & Resort. Is there any place close by with full oil massages hopefully with some extras? I want to have some fun but I will be with others so hopefully the parlors are inconspicuous.

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    1. Bob,

      Any hotel by the river is far from the red light districts.

      And I am not familiar with that area. But you can always take a walk around the hotel area.

      And if you come across a oil massage place and see ladies dressed in tight t-shirts, miniskirts and heavily done up with makeup, it might be the type of joint that provides extras.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  58. Hey man,
    I went to Nataree because of this blog. Was a good experience. After I fucked her we talked for a while and I learned that she was just 18 and not 20.

    And that Nataree are holding onto her passport and she is forced to work there and has no choice. She misses her home and would love to go back. Poor girl could've had a bright future. This is the dark side of Nataree you don't mention. I honestly felt sick and put off prostitution after this.

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    1. Duane,

      I've never heard of such a situation at Nataree from any of the girls ever.

      That said, I haven't been with every girl inside before.

      But I have been with many girls in Nataree. And they tell me they enjoy working there because the can come and go because management is very good to the girls.

      And I find it odd that Nataree would have to hold a girl hostage when they already have so many girls working there freely.

      Could she be telling the truth? Possibly. But it is also possible she could be lying too for whatever reason.

      Yeah, regardless there is always a dark side to prostitution. But it's also a way for these girls to earn a good living too. And if they're smart they'll save up that money they've worked hard for and do something else with their lives.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  59. Hi Jim,

    Thank you very much for the information. It is very helpful for newbies.

    I will be in Bangkok for 4 days. Can you recommend 2 or 3 very good traditional massage parlor which offer Thai traditional massage and manhood/lingam massage?. I don't normally look for full service package in a massage parlor.

    Thanks.

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    1. Hi ZZ,

      Sorry for the late reply. The only places I go for traditional Thai massage is Health Land. You can do a search online they are spread through out Bangkok.

      So I don't know where you are staying but their website has maps.

      So hopefully you're staying near a Health Land. They have very good certified massage staff, it's a clean location and massage prices are reasonable.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  60. Hi Jim,

    On behalf of the adult male population on this planet I thank you for taking the time and effort to get such incredible but vital information out to us road weary mortals flying through BKK with a short stopover. And unlike others I very much appreciate the advice you offer, which is without gungho-machismo but with plenty of common-sense and safety.

    I have a 7 hour layover in Swampy coming up (ETA 3pm, ETD midnight, no luggage, preferred check-in). Not new to BKK, my Thai is rusty. Newbie to such pleasures really, but I've had many happy endings. I've tried to read up all the material on your site, but unfortunately am overwhelmed. So please be so kind to oblige my questions:

    1. Option 1 is to play around Swampy area without the risk of wasting/losing time heading downtown. What are my options for a) good massage+happy ending, b) oil massage+fj, c) soapy+fj? I don't mind doing a day-stay at a hotel.

    2. Option 2 is to risk going downtown, then I suppose Nataree would be my first choice for a soapy experience. But, what about option(s) thereabouts for a good massage, but with happy ending?

    In your recent reply to ZZ above, you mentioned Health Land. But as with ZZ, I like to have a happy ending too. Do you know if Health Land parlours do happy endings?

    My thanks in advance for your treasured wisdom!

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    1. Hi Matt,

      I wish half of the adult male population read my blog. But I'm satisfied enought knowing I have a few thousand perverts I've helped along so they don't need to jerk off alone at home. Just joking of course.

      To start off Health Land is strictly legit so no monkey business inside. Besides a vast majority of their massage staff are in their 40s and up. So there's no chance of popping an accidental boner.

      Nataree is still a really good place especially when you are short of time. It's a full serviced soapy massage however.

      So Nataree is in the Huay Kwang area and there are a lot of budget and expensive hotels in the area close to a cluster of soapies. I believe I have a map here on this blog somewhere.

      So of you want a day hotel that's close to plenty of soapies that's your best option. Just remember most soapies have more ladies working around 7pm.

      5pm is still too early but you may like out and find a hottie around that time. Happened to me a few times when I popped in to Nataree and Caesars massage a few times.

      If you want full serviced oil massage Angel Massage and Premiere101 Massage is still the best in my opinion.

      My suggestion is to simply stay in Huay Kwang because your time is short.

      If you're looking for traditional massage there are a few shops on the north side of the Emerald Hotel which is still near Nataree, Caesars, Emmanuel soapy parlors.

      Those massage ladies don't do funny stuff, well at least the ones I always choose. I wouldn't be surprised if they do employ ladies that provide extras. I'm saying this because you can see those ladies dressed in tight tshirts with push up bras and hollering at every single guy walking past them. Hope this all helps.

      Have a great time!

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  61. Hi Jim,

    Your blog is such a help for guys looking for some good time in bkk...good job!

    May i seek your expertise in recommending a place where you can just sitback and enjoy some half naked gorgeous looking girls on stage (something in the zone of coyote/strip tease and possibly some touchings and motorboating in private zones)..which is the best place to get all of this in one shot? not interested in the soapy/intercourse type places...

    Chris

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    1. Hi Chris,

      Most of my 5 recommended go go bars in Bangkok and Pattaya in some way or another are what you are looking for.

      Private areas Thai go go bars are kinda tough because space is very tight and if the bars are popular as the ones I recommended you are not going to have a lot of privacy.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  62. Hey Jim! Read the whole blog post! I have information overload and 10 windows open on my computer...I got some great info from here but I am a newb to this subject. I read the post by older fella and his wife that went to Nataree and that was close to my situation. My farang girlfriend realllly wants to have a bisexual experience with a Thai girl and has no problem with seeing a prostitute. Shes a real babe but has no interest in the hassle of picking up at a disco. She simply wants her pussy eaten while watching me get fucked. She expressed interest in a soapy. My questions are, is it practical? If so what facility would be best for a couple. If not, is there a better way to go? And basically, what would Jim do?
    Regards!
    Dan

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    1. Danjo,

      Sorry for the late reply. All soapies allow couples.

      However, not all girls working inside may perform as you would expect to see on porno films.

      Ladies in soapies and oil massage parlors are used to taking care of male customers only.

      That said, even though it is unusual for couples, particularly foreigners visiting said establishments, since you are paying they will oblige your request.

      I had a friend take his foreigner wife friend to Poseidon once. He told me the massage girl did her best to please him and his girlfriend.

      But he could tell the massage girl was not into eating his girlfriend's pussy.

      As I mentioned, massage girls are not trained to be bisexuals.

      So the experience many not be as you would expect.

      Regards,
      Jim

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  63. Hi Jim,

    Your blog is so great, and i spend hours and hours to read it. You give us lots of information which help us save lots of time and money, thanks.

    i have a question here, wish you can help me.

    i booked my flight by mistake which is 7am from DUN MUANG AIRPORT, so i am thinking what i can do for the last night in Bangkok.

    i will checkout from my hotel in Pattaya, and head to Bangkok, MO CHIT, after lunch. And i will taxi to DUN muang airport so i can leave my big bag in the airport. it would be nice have a oil massage before i go to Nataree about 7pm. at 9pm have dinner followed by NANA gogo bar.i wish i can make some fun and stay till 3am so i can taxi to the airport.

    do you think my plan is ok or you can give me some better idea. thanks a lot.

    best regards

    leo

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    1. Hi Leo,

      Not sure how many days you are staying in Bangkok or Pattaya but keep in mind it can take at least 3 hours and possibly 4 depending on the time of day due to traffic to get between the two cities.

      My suggestion is don't try and do too much especially when you have too little time.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  64. Hi Jim,

    Do you know if any of the girls do anal in any of the places you mentioned?

    Cheers,

    Mike

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    1. Mike,

      Sorry for the late reply. Not all girls in the fishbowl do anal.

      You'd have to ask the papasan or mamasan which girls in the fishbowl are okay with anal.

      Don't be shy about asking, it's one of the most normal request they always hear.

      That said, most of the girls I know that do anal in the soapies are not the best looking girls, just from my experience.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  65. Hi Jamie
    I have found your website very useful. You have a great knowledge of the night life and massage parlours.

    I have been wanting to come to Bangkok for pleasure for a long time now, but have now finally planned a trip, albeit a bit short.

    I will be travelling to Bangkok on 2 October for three days and would like to make the most of three full days while I am there.

    I would therefore like to have your suggestion as to what all I should be doing in these three days. I would definitely like to try B2B oil massage, soapy massage and also some place where they offer the best massage only for relaxation. Apart from this, I would like to try to take a girl to my hotel at least for two nights.

    Can I please request you to suggest me a decent hotel to stay near all actions and then the best soapy, oil and proper massage parlours? I would prefer to spend around THB2,500 per night for the hotel and preferably closest to the BTS access. I would like the hotel to be nice, with safe to store the valuable things, guest friendly and without having to feel awkward to take the girl with me!

    I would be grateful for your input and suggestions and would like to thank you in advance for your help and assistance.

    Best wishes.

    Jay

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  66. Mike,
    I want to to play with pretty boobs and like tit-fuck. Is it possible with fishbowl girls ?

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  67. Hi Jim

    Fascinating posts, thank you. My question is this:

    I shall be arriving quite late into BKK and by the time I have checked into my Sukhumvit hotel and had a bite to eat it will probably be 22:00. Is it too late to trek up to Nataree? If I did go up there, would theere be a fine selection of sidleiner girls, and what would be the situation for taking one back to my hotel for the night? Would there be a bar fine, or as they are all freelancers, are they free to come and go as they please?

    Would you suggest I try somewhere closer to my hotel?

    Many thanks for a great review.

    Aide

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    1. Aide,

      Sorry for the late reply. Nataree closes at midnight so depending on how fast you move I suppose you can catch last call before closing time.

      Though I would say most of the girls are either busy with customers or have gone home by then, especially the sideliners.

      If you can speak Thai or perhaps if the girls English is good enough you may persuade her to go back to your room if the price is right.

      Sideliners at Nataree are basically freelancers so no bar fines.

      Personally, the soapies along Sukhumvit are not my favorites. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't check it out. Because your taste in women may be different than mine is all.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  68. Hi, Jim Bro,
    we be going bangkok by nov , can we know what is the different by Nuru Massage and Soapy massage as well ?
    and which one u prefer to try it? and which shop are better service to provide this kind of massage. of course also the prize of it.
    thanks .

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    1. Leslie,

      Sorry for the late reply my friend. Nuru massage involves a special type of lotion, I believe either from Japan or Korea.

      Just go for the soapy my friend, Nuru is an extra service charged to make you pay more.

      Stick with the soapy.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  69. Hi Jim

    A query regarding Nataree, on a recent trip to BKK, visited Nataree twice (once on a weekday and the other time over a weekend). I went into the first entrance of Nataree and I found that there was only a fishbowl with about 18 girls and on my second visit again went through the same entrance and found the fishbowl to have 25 girls. On both occassions, I had noticed that there was another entrance further down, however, did not go in. I was wondering what can be found if I would have taken the second entrance? Also, I did not notice any side line girls which was weird. Any ideas what happened to them?

    I had written a detailed email with a BKK report to you, however, it seems that you have not received it (had a few queries and observations). In any case, reading your blog prior to making the journey to BKK was very helpful and total VFM.

    Cheers!

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    1. P,

      Really sorry for the late reply, been super busy this past month.

      Okay, so Nataree has two entrances. You want to go in the right side entrance of the building.

      The left entrance is open but it's basically a storage area for what was once a full service restaurant.

      But since no one came to Nataree to eat but only to have sex with hookers the restaurant part closed down. This was years and years ago.

      Yes, fishbowl numbers are of course different during different times of the day, hours and weeks.

      As mentioned elsewhere I like to get there are around 7pm to 8pm. 6pm could be good too and if I get there early I just sit there until I see someone I like.

      Also sorry if I missed some of your emails. I get tons of emails on a weekly basis as well as comments and I can't answer them all.

      Been away in Vietnam for some new business ventures but will try and keep up the blog.

      Cheers,
      Jim

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  70. Hi,

    I have been to Bangkok a few times and never failed to have fun each single time. Nowhere in the world has higher concentration of "fun". Your guide here definitely help a lot of people who have the same hobby! Great job on that.

    I have been to many of the clubs near Huay Kwang and love them. I have been to Poseidon, Emannuelle, Nataree, Ceasar and others. Honestly, they all have great ladies and great services. The most beautiful model that I get was from Poseidon, however, their service is very professional. They pamper you like a king, but you don't get the sweet girlfriend feeling there. My best experience in terms of service comes from a model in Emannuelle. She's the sweetest sweetheart I have ever met. She treated me like we have been in a very sweet relationship for a long time. Great service and great attitude. In all those clubs I normally go for the models from the top group, as I believe you really get what you pay for. So paying more in this case rewards me handsomely.

    Anyway, in my upcoming trip to Bangkok (not really a trip), I will transit in Bangkok for 9 hours. Unfortunately I arrive in Bangkok at midnight and will only leave the next morning. This is the time all the clubs mentioned above are closed. Do you know any similar club that are open 24 hours a day?

    Your advice is very much appreciated.

    Thomas!

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